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01/20/25

Message Overview:

TRIM AIR LOOP FAIL
(Caution)

DDG Reference: 36-20
Pilot Action (QRH): ENVR 06-11
System Description: 36-20-00 - Indicating System
30-12-00 - Wing Anti-Ice System
Schematic Diagram: 36-21-00 - Bleed-Air Leak-Detection System 
TRIM AIR SCHEMATIC
Wiring Diagram: 36-21-11 - Pack Loop

Message Description:

The amber 'TRIM AIR LOOP FAIL' (Caution) CAS message indicates the bleed leak detection loops around the trim air ducting have failed. This is only checked during the power-up self-test.

  • The IASC #2 has detected problems with both bleed air leak loops around trim air ducting. Through ARINC bus to the DCU the EICAS has displayed the amber 'TRIM AIR LOOP FAIL' message.

Possible Causes:

  • Trim Air Loops (MT61, MT36, MT69, MT124)
  • Loop Routing Interference
  • Trim Air Loop Connectors

Troubleshooting Tips:

Advisory Wire/Service Bulletin:

  • AW300-36-0310 - Bleed Loop Connector Cleaning Tool
  • AW300-30-0354 - Potential Piccolo Tube Damage When Replacing a Bleed Loop Element

Full Throttle Blog/Forum Articles/Infoservice/Newsletter: None

Flight Operation Notifications Manual (FONM): None

NOTES:

Abbreviation Guide:

ACS Air Conditioning System
AIPS Airframe Ice Protection System
APU Auxiliary Power Unit
ATS Air Turbine Starter
CBIT Continuous Built-In-Test
CBW Wing Cross-Bleed Valve
CH Channel
Element Hot Air Leak Detection Sensor with a connector on each end
F.S. Fuselage Station
FCV Flow Control Valve
HARSOV Hot Air Regulating and Shut-off Valve
HPGC High Pressure Ground Connection
HPV High Pressure Valve
IASC Integrated Air System Controller
IBIT Initiated Built-In-Test
IPV Intermediate Pressure Valve
Loop Assembly of several elements connected together in series to detect Hot air leaks in a given system
MDC Maintenance Diagnostic Computer
PBIT Power Up Built-In-Test
PCV Pre-cooler Crossover Valve
TCV Temperature Control Valve
WAIV Wing Anti-ice Valve
W.S. Wing Station

Bleed air loops are the detection element used to indicate that a leak has occurred in the bleed air system.

  • The ducting has a insulation cover that will contain the air leaking from the ducting routing it to a insulation vent hole.
  • The loop elements are electrically connected in series and the concentric outer conductor is connected to the aircraft ground. The layer of eutectic salt compound insulates the outer conductor from the inner conductor. When hot bleed-air gets on the loop element, the eutectic salt compound becomes conductive and lets the outer conductor make contact with the inner conductor. The IAS controller senses that the outer conductor is grounded and supplies the inner conductor with alternating current for its resistance measurement. The IAS controller measures this resistance and shows the correct message on the EICAS.
  • The intermediate pressure system loop element senses a bleed-air leak when the temperature is more than 255°F (123.90°C).

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Quick Links:

Standard Aircraft Configuration for Maintenance AMM 12-00-00-867-803
Electrical/Electronic Safety Precautions AMM 24-00-00-910-801
Electrostatic-Discharge Safety Precautions AMM 24-00-00-910-802
Connect Electrical Power to the Aircraft AMM 24-00-00-861-801
Remove the Electrical Power from the Aircraft AMM 24-00-00-861-802
Component Location AMM 36-21-00-992-801
Operational Test of the Bleed-Air Leak-Detection and Warning System AMM 36-21-00-710-801
Initiation Test of the Bleed-Air Leak-Detection Loops AMM 36-21-00-740-801
Resistance Check of the Bleed-Air Leak-Detection Loops AMM 36-21-00-760-801
Removal of the Trim-Air-Supply Leak-Detection Element AMM 36-21-09-000-801
Installation of the Trim-Air-Supply Leak-Detection Element AMM 36-21-09-400-801
Removal of the Aft Trim-Air Leak-Detection-Element AMM 36-21-09-000-802
Installation of the Aft Trim-Air Leak-Detection-Element AMM 36-21-09-400-802
Removal of the Forward Trim-Air Leak-Detection-Element AMM 36-21-09-000-803
Installation of the Forward Trim-Air Leak-Detection-Element AMM 36-21-09-400-803
Removal of the Baggage-Compartment Leak-Detection Element AMM 36-21-09-000-804
Installation of the Baggage-Compartment Leak-Detection Element AMM 36-21-09-400-804

Troubleshooting Recommendations:

  1. If no fault is shown or the system is intermittent, do the following steps:

    1. Go into the LRU Index/Operations and select IASC #2 channel B to display the IASC Channel B menu. Select Leak Detection Test. The test page will provide pages to perform a leak detection system test and check past event locations. The test will check all of the loops the IASC is monitoring and pass or fail them. This test may fail if there is a lot of action going on in the IASC, retesting may pass the failed loops. This test is disabled with the wing heat system on. Perform the test of the bleed air leak detection loops IAW AMM 36-21-00-710-801.
    2. The test will identify if the respective loop has a short or open.Perform the initiation (IBIT) test of the bleed air leak detection loops IAWAMM 36-21-00-740-801.
    3. If a loop fails, or a fault has been logged into the MDC, use the steps below to further isolate the condition.
    4. Interrogate the MDC as follows:

      1. On the cursor control panel, ensure the toggle switch is to the right and select Anti-Ice, ECS and Fuel buttons simultaneously. The MDC main menu should now be displayed on Display Unit #3.
      2. Using the joystick, select Current Faults (if the fault is active) or Aircraft History to research stored faults. From Aircraft History you can then select Fault Message History and locate the fault. Going into advanced diagnostics will provide an equation id for the fault identified.
      3. Select the MDC fault or equation from the drop down below to provide additional information to assist in troubleshooting.

        NOTE: Before replacing a loop always look at the loop for routing, ensure loop is not too close to the plumbing or the bleed hole on a valve. Review AMM 36-21-00-992-801 for component location. See individual loops for specific routing information.
      4. Use a Tegam meter to check capacitance and inductance between the inner and outer conductor of the corresponding loop. Perform the impedance check per the Leak Detection How To.
      5. Trim Air loop Information
      6. Trim Air Loop schematic
      7. The test will identify if the trim loop has a short or open. MT61, MT36, MT69, MT124 (#2 IASC monitored loop).
      8. If the Trim Air Leak Detection loops do not meet resistance checks then replace the affected LDE.
      9. LOOP Triggering Value (OHMS)
        Trim Air Loops 62Ω

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