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Require immediate crew attention. These messages are accompanied by flashing master warning, triple chime attenson with or without voice message or dedicated tone. Require immediate crew awareness and future crew action may be required in the form of alternate system selection or performance limitation. These message are accompanied by flashing master caution and a single chime. Indicate safe or normal system operation which require crew awareness, over and above the dark cockpit philosophy. Indicate minor failures or reduction in systems capability, which require no crew action.

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05/17/22

Message Overview:

R BLEED FAIL
(Caution)

DDG Reference: 21-61
36-10
Pilot Action (QRH): ENVR 06-6
System Description: 36-10-00 - Distribution System
Schematic Diagram: 21-51-00-101 - Filtering and Flow Control System
21-52-00-101 - Air Conditioning system
21-61-00-101 - Temperature Control and Indication
31-41-00-101 - Engine Indication and Crew Alerting System (EICAS)
31-41-00-102 - Engine Indication and Crew Alerting System (EICAS)
36-11-00-101 - Intermediate-Pressure Bleed-Air System
Wiring Diagram: 21-51-03 - Differential Pressure Sensor - ALL
21-51-09 - Flow Control Valve - ALL
21-61-29 - Hot Air Temperature-Sensor - ALL
26-11-01 - Fire-Detection-and-Extinguishing (FIREX) Control-Unit - ALL
31-41-03 - Data Concentrator Unit (Interface) - ALL
36-11-03 - Bleed Pressure Transducer - ALL

Message Description:

The amber 'R BLEED FAIL' caution CAS message indicates the intermediate pressure valve has failed, (Flow Control Valve).

  • The IACS has detected the FCV is failed in the closed position, failed in the open position, or a drift in pressure control settings (pressure is controlled too high, or too low). IASC1 controls the FCV1, IASC2 controls the FCV2.
  • If the bleed pressure is above 60 psi, the fail message is posted and the affected bleed pressure display turns amber.

Possible Causes:

  • Hot Air Temperature Sensor (HATS) (MT27)
  • AIR CONDITIONING / BLEED CONTROL PANEL (PL17)
  • R BLEED Push Button Assembly (PBA) (SDS14)
  • Integrated Air System Controller 1 (IASC 1) (A55)
  • Integrated Air System Controller 2 (IASC 2) (A56)
  • Junction Box
  • Data Concentrator Unit (DCU) (A14)
  • Bleed Pressure Transducer
  • Fire-Detection-and-Extinguishing (FIREX) Control Unit (A91)
  • R Differential Pressure Sensor
  • Associated Wiring

Troubleshooting Tips:

Advisory Wire/Service Bulletin:

  • AW300-30-0354 - Potential Piccolo Tube Damage When Replacing a Bleed Loop Element

Forum Articles/Infoservice/Newsletter: None

NOTE: If fault is intermittent or can not be duplicated on the ground, download IASC NVM along with MDC Flight History file and the Service Message History file and send to the CRC.

Quick Links:

Standard Aircraft Configuration for Maintenance AMM 12-00-00-867-803
Removal of the Integrated Air System (IAS) Controller AMM 21-31-01-000-801
Installation of the Integrated Air System (IAS) Controller AMM 21-31-01-400-801
Operational Test of the Integrated Air System (IAS) Controller AMM 21-31-01-710-801
Component Location AMM 21-51-00-992-801
Operational Test of the Filtering and Flow Control System AMM 21-51-00-710-801
Removal of the Differential Pressure Sensor AMM 21-51-03-000-801
Installation of the Differential Pressure Sensor AMM 21-51-03-400-801
Operational Test of the Differential Pressure Sensor AMM 21-51-03-710-801
Component Location AMM 21-52-00-992-801
Electrical/Electronic Safety Precautions AMM 24-00-00-910-801
Electrostatic-Discharge Safety Precautions AMM 24-00-00-910-802
Connect Electrical Power to the Aircraft AMM 24-00-00-861-801
Component Location AMM 24-31-00-992-801
Component Location AMM 26-11-00-992-801
Operational Test of the Fire-Detection-and-Extinguishing (FIREX) System AMM 26-11-00-710-801
Removal of the Fire-Detection-and-Extinguishing (FIREX) Control-Unit AMM 26-11-01-000-801
Installation of the Fire-Detection-and-Extinguishing (FIREX) Control-Unit AMM 26-11-01-400-801
Removal of the Data Concentrator Unit (DCU) AMM 31-41-01-000-802
Installation of the Data Concentrator Unit (DCU) AMM 31-41-01-400-802
Component Location AMM 36-11-00-992-801
Operational Test of the Bleed Air System AMM 36-11-00-710-801
Removal of the Bleed Pressure Transducer AMM 36-11-03-000-801
Installation of the Bleed Pressure Transducer AMM 36-11-03-400-801
Removal of the Bleed-Air Control Panel AMM 36-11-57-000-801
Installation of the Bleed-Air Control Panel AMM 36-11-57-400-801
Bleed-Air Leak-Detection and Warning-System Safety Precautions AMM 36-21-00-910-801
Operational Test of the Bleed-Air Leak-Detection and Warning System AMM 36-21-00-710-801
Removal of the Pushbutton/Toggle Switch SPM20-11-01-000-801
Installation of the Pushbutton/Toggle Switch SPM20-11-01-400-801
Safety Precautions - Maintenance Practices - ALL SPM 20-00-01-02-01
Wire Repair - Maintenance Practices - ALL SPM 20-12-10-02
Electrical Connectors - Maintenance Practice - ALL SPM 20-20-00-02-01

Troubleshooting Recommendations:

  1. Check the current faults and fault history for problems related to the IASC controller and pressurization system. Under advance diagnostics, look for the following faults and equations:
  2. On the cursor control panel, ensure the toggle switch is to the right and select Anti-Ice, ECS and Fuel buttons simultaneously. The MDC main menu should now be displayed on Display Unit #3.
  3. Using the joystick, select Current Faults (if the fault is active) or Aircraft History to research stored faults. From Aircraft History you can then select Fault Message History and locate the air condition fault logged.
  4. Select the MDC fault from the drop down below to provide additional information to assist in troubleshooting.

    1. If a B3 Fault Code is displayed:
    2. If no fault codes are displayed, continue with next step.
      36_bleed_fail_136_bleed_fail_236_bleed_fail_3
      36_bleed_fail_4Current FaultsAdvanced Diagnostics

  5. When the IASC sees No Flow when it is demanded, it drives the FCV to the Full Open position. This can cause a PACK INLET OVERHEAT and R BLEED FAULT CAS messages with no MDC Fault Code.
  6. Run both engines at idle and monitor / record the bleed pressure parameters from the MDC.
  7. The Differential Pressure reading should be around 0.8 psid at idle and should react to engine thrust increase.

    1. If you notice that it is stuck at 0.0 psid and does not react to thrust increase, that Differential Pressure Sensor is to be suspected.

      Left Engine (GOOD) Right Engine (BAD)
      Bleed Pressure: 49 psi 51 psi
      Differential Pressure: 0.8 psid 0.0 psid
      BAF: 9.5 lb/min 0.0 lb/min

      NOTE: If the Differential Pressure Sensor is stuck at 0 psid, it could cause the FCV to stay in the FULL OPEN position.

    2. If pressures and Differential are good, continue with next step.

  8. Perform a wiring check of the R BLEED (SDS14) PBA on the AIR CONDITIONING / BLEED CONTROL PANEL (PL17).

    1. If PBA is found defective, replace as required.
    2. If no defects are found, continue with next step.

  9. Perform a wiring check between the R BLEED (SDS14) PBA on the AIR CONDITIONING / BLEED CONTROL PANEL (PL17), IASC 2 (A56), the Data Concentrator Unit (DCU) (A14) and the R BLEED VALVE (V4).

    1. If wiring defects are found, repair defective wiring as required and do close out.
    2. If no defects are found, continue with next step.

  10. Swap IASC 2 with IASC 1. Is the fault still present?

    1. If YES, continue with next step.
    2. If NO, replace faulty IASC.

  11. Swap the right Bleed Valve with the left bleed valve to confirm faulty valve and replace if required.
  12. Do close out.
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